They wouldnt have took me like this if they hadnt got the drop on me, he fumed to friends in the bunkhouse. What is the future of U.S.-China relations? skepticism about government and its representatives. country of northern Nevada and southwestern Idaho is steeped in I considered it to be a great honor and privilege to sit down and interview Sheriff Nettleton, this man was the real deal a dying breed of law-men that helped to preserve the integrity of Western Culture. He doesnt want to talk to the media or make a big deal out of his release, said Kevin Kempf, the prison warden. Like Jeff Newman who was once employed by the agency Bill and Tammie McCutcheon can testify of the indisputable truth of the characterization offered by the Shovel Brigade. I was beginning to think that Alonzo's post had put an end to this discussion. As the war between Russia and Ukraine enters its second year, do you support the United States' continued involvement? Moyie Springs, Idaho 83845. Get used to it,as it ain't gonna change. On January 4, 1983, Judge Edward Lodge sentenced Dallas to a total of 30 years,[8][9][10] the maximum for the offenses for which he had been convicted. Claude Dallas, the escaped killer of two Idaho game wardens who had vowed never again to be taken alive, was captured--unarmed and without a fight--Sunday afternoon in Riverside, the FBI said. I've read the book, and Ian Tyson's song about Dallas is one of my favorites. California, Division of Agriculture and Natural Resources. This has been an interesting post to read considering I had never heard of Claude Dallas before yesterday. In my mind its justifiable homicide., Many people in Idaho and throughout the Intermountain West agreed with that evaluation during the lengthy manhunt and high-profile trial that followed the killings. Quite the opposite was the case: He had traveled more than fifty miles to threaten Newman with a citation for posting a commercial flier without the specific permission of the SS. The lethal encounter between Dallas and the Idaho game wardens fundamentally changed the relationship between the West and those charged with preserving its resources, opined the Twin Falls. In my opinion just because a guy is a real jerk and a pain is no reason to kill him. If interested, search for a Hardcover copy of the book: One thing I can say, is that Claude Dallas did not live off the land or kill only what he needed. I know Claude Dallas. Born in Winchester, Virginia, Dallas' father was a dairy farmer. it is possible that the bereaved families and friends of Conley Elms and Bill Pogue could be a big factor that keeps Mr. Dallas living an incognito lifestyle. The two game wardens suspected Claude of crossing over to Idaho and trapping and possessing bobcats and then sneaking em back over to to his Nevada camp. . "I was watching a specail the other night and was suprised to find out that during the siege at Waco, ATF and FBI officers didn't shoot one round, while at the same time hundreds of shots were fired at them.". Interesting thread. Hour 1 of this show is not available at this time. Im sorry he was (near) Los Angeles. The two don't often go together, but in this case, they did. It was on one the specials that the History channel ran on snipers the other night; the one on law enforcement snipers. Hoff said she intends to make arrangements this week to release the Dallas goods from their prolonged bondage in Murphy. Winds light and variable. I have a hard time buying the idea that the wardens somehow "got it in" for Dallas, without him doing anything first and probably several times to make them want to get him. The infamous trapper/poacher who killed two Idaho Fish and Game officers in 1981 will find KEN HOWELL - "He'd kicked two blocks of cattle salt out of a low-flying Piper or Aeronca. What I can't understand is why you refuse to believe that Pogue was possibly a dangerous individual. How did notorious Idaho outlaw, Claude Dallas, escape? Formal complaints must have about the same outcome everywhere. Claude Dallas, the escaped killer of two Idaho game wardens who had vowed never again to be taken alive, was captured--unarmed and without a fight--Sunday BOISE -- Like it or not, Claude Lafayette Dallas Jr. is getting I thought I was going to get raped,Tammie later recalled. He first becomes eligible for release on Sept. 22. Not me but two guys I know well had the same officer really give em grief over nothing (they don't know each other and it was separate incidences) One of the guys is older and can be abrasive so I wondered about if he brought any of it on himself, but still the actions the F&G guy took were overly vindictive in my mind. MMarketello, as usual, just as with the lies the left liberals on teeeveee tell you about those evil semi-automatic guns they --and you -- want to ban, you've again swallowed hook, line, and sinker, the left wing pap fed you by the propagandists who made that "special.". After he served 3 years, Claude Dallas escaped from prison on Easter Sunday 1986 and was on the run for almost a year before the FBI captured Dallas the second time that Dallas was on the run after he escaped Idaho State Prison. She and her husband visited prisoner No. . He said agents had learned through an investigation that Dallas had contacts in the Riverside area. resistance or government force run amok, depending on one's Text STOP to stop. Dallas was regarded as an exceptionally depraved offender: He was a draft dodger, having refused induction in 1968. He's going to have Pogue told Dallas that he was going to be cited for possessing illegal hides and venison taken out of season. They argue the public today is not so willing to accept antisocial Apparently, Mr.Dallas did not do any extra time and kept his mouth shut about what really happened, showing more integrity and intelligence than the people who kept him imprisoned. Choose wisely! The noise attracted the attention of her husband Bill, who had reached the top of a small nearby hill and looked down to see, from about100 yards away, a man on top of his wife as shescreamed for help. It was Claude Dallass desire to live as a mountain man and escape societys scrutiny and live a more natural and free existence in the most remote and desolate part of the west. Ickes put up a $100,000 property bond to get Dallas out of jail between conviction and sentencing. Fred Reagan, an FBI spokesman in Los Angeles, said Dallas, who escaped from the Idaho State Penitentiary near Boise last March, was seized by FBI agents about 3 p.m. We should, as well. Director Jerry London Writers John Gay Jeff Long (book "The Outlaw") Stars Matt Salinger Claude Akins Beau Starr See production, box office & company info Add to romanticism of outsiders -- even violent ones. just curious, would it make a different in your opinions in this matter if the dead men were just regular people and not law inforcement officers? Your e-mail address will be used to confirm your account. Reagan said only FBI agents were involved in his capture. The windows, shutters, rafters, roof, and the cupboard and outside doors had been replaced by the Forest Service, of course, but splintery skid gouges still showed where that one block had torn the floor and the side of the alidade stand.". JWR is a journalist, technical writer, and novelist. Claude Dallas Jr., one of the FBIs 10 Most Wanted fugitives, was arrested by the FBI on Sunday on a fugitive warrant in this community 50 miles east of downtown Los Angeles as he left a convenience store carrying groceries. Hour 2: https://dissentradio.com/willgrigg/prolibertate/Will%20Grigg%20-%20Pro%20Libertate%20Radio%20-%2009-04-2010%20-%20Hour%202.mp3 Hour 3: Get the latest news and updates from The Institute, straight to your inbox. Claude Dallas will walk out of prison Sunday into a different world. Its been awhile but some details about the case are coming back. fears, these themes, than ever did before. I can't believe that that guy wouldn't have supported Dallas if there was even the most minimal justification for what he did. His friends say Claude Lafayette Dallas Jr. was born 150 years too late for the life he wanted to lead. Thank you to Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research for your help in the episode! For months now, they had been telling reporters that Claude Dallas was one tough hombre. He was an outlaw, they said, a self-styled mountain man out of step with the times, a quick-draw artist who had gunned down two conservation officers in a dispute over some minor game violations at his remote campsite. Art same thing happened in this neck of the woods. OK, I agree. . The Dallas case is trivial at best,as compared to stuff Politicians do routinely. He had been on the FBIs 10 Most Wanted list for months. In the high desert of Bull Camp on the Nevada/Idaho border, Bill Pogue entered Claudes tent without consent, saw animal pelts, and threaten to arrest Dallas for poaching in Idaho but Dallas said he got the pelts on the Nevada side of the border. Claude Dallas was in violation of the law, Jim Stevens and his son were violating the law, and Bill Pogue was violating the law. And it was all being done for money. As the character Deep Throat said in All The Presidents Men, Follow the Money !!! If any one is interested in finding out the truth, please let me know. The book says that the 2nd pistol was hidden from view and the Officers thought that they had disarmed him when they took his holstered pistol. Why? exclaimed Stevens in horror. (Can't remember the name, same format as Shotgun News). Even his lawyer, when we told him, said, I kinda figured on that. Bill and Tammie McCutcheon, residents of Roundup, Montana, were on a hunting trip with their four children two teenagers and 18-month-old twins. Create a password that only you will remember. After the initial gunfire, Dallas used his .22 caliber lever action rifle to shoot both officers execution style, once each in the head. He is also a retreat consultant specializing in off-grid living, rural relocation, and survival preparedness. He shouldve been alive in the old days a scout, the guy you send a day or two ahead to tell you how things are. Newman commanded the armed intruder to leave his property. 24 years after deaths of two F&G officers, the West that Dallas knew has changed, but he remains a polarizing character. person could ever have fallen for that jive," said Jack Olsen, He would have had no compunction about shooting several of them had he the means to do so.. The confrontation erupted in gunfire and Dallas, deadly quick, dropped both Pogue and his backup, Conley Elms. Thank our liberal judges for this BS, and that is what this is, a bunch of BS. Trapper and survivalist Claude Lafayette Dallas, Jr. was born March 11, 1950. . Claude keeps going after it and after it. Shoulda read all the posts before I posted.my bad. I attended gunsmithing school in Denver '78-80. Dallas registered at the Skylark Motel on University Avenue, about two blocks away from the grocery, shortly before noon Sunday. Satisfied that hed made whatever point he sought to make, Zohovetz released Newman and told him that, he was only issuing a warning regarding the flier. I have no idea where you get the idea the ATF never fired a shot. Bill McCutcheon faces 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine; Tammie whose crime consisted of protecting herself from a sexual assault, could be sentenced to 8 years in prison and a $100,000 fine. Pogues regular partner wasn't available so he called on Elms to go with him. You've been acquitted,'' 4th District Judge George Carey told the 37-year-old 46356 at the out of prison after committing one of the most notorious crimes in The TV show, Manhunt: Search for Claude Dallas, used as its basis the second book, The True Story of Claude Dallas--Outlaw, by Jeff Long. Ads are what helps us bring you premium content. There was a book written about this and it told a very different story from your version. Then contact the Jarbidge Shovel Brigade for assistance., That prompted a petulant complaint from the SS that the ads were inflammatory and tended to promote ill will toward the agency. may be more self-sufficient, psychologically, then he ever He then shoved her face-down on the open tailgate and began to paw the shrieking woman beneath her clothes. Partly cloudy skies this evening will give way to occasional snow showers overnight. Stevens would later testify that the wardens did not threaten Dallass life in any way. This isnt true: Every demand made by a government official contains the implicit threat of lethal violence against those who refuse to comply. questioned, even challenged. Youre Dallas, arent you? one of the strangers, a man named Frank Meale, asked the hand. The Lewiston Tribune recently launched a new afternoon newsletter featuring stories and photos that will appear online before they are published in the newspaper. Isn't "Big Brother" watching this whole thread right now . He served 22 years of a 30-year sentence before being released in 2005. Senseless, lawless violence government reduced to its essence: BLM employee C.J. Its the kind of story that can sell airtime and News Papers and also questions the viability of our own natural freedoms as human beings. Do I have to live in a cave to think that killing someone is emphatically not trivial? After shooting them, Dallas delivered the coup de grace by firing a .22-caliber bullet into each of their brains. According to an article March 23 2008 from the Idaho Statesman by Dan Popkey. Tripp might consider this a search; by any rational definition, it was a sexual assault by an armed stranger who had spit out several angry demands but refused to identify himself (not that doing so would have justified his actions). SOME of the FBI guys maybe were not firing. Your version doesn't match Olsen's and I choose to believe my interpretation of Olsen's works/research until I read something that changes my mind. When they were about to leave the Carlin ranch, Eddy Carlin's wife mentioned the guy at Bull Camp (Claude Dallas). Another thing to keep in mind is that the Dallas situation occurred over two decades ago, as did several of the personal anecdotes reported here. He had been caught and written up for it. With the exception of a decade he spent in the employment of the Forest Service (more appropriately called the Sylvan Socialist agency, or SS), Newman has made an honest living. He completed the final three weeks[24] of his sentence back in Idaho at Orofino in 2005. really wasn't that much of a mountain man even back then, and jail The People are the ultimate, guardians of their own liberty. This was shown on TV as it was happening. COVID origins? ., Theres (a) group that is glad he escaped, the warden added. View our. Why are we still having these debates? We dont consider him a folk hero.. I still think he should never see light of day. interference," he said. Our mail forwarding address is: James Wesley, Rawles Dallas was captured outside a 7-Eleven convenience store in Riverside, California, on March 8, 1987. Significantly, in an interview with an investigator hired by the McCutcheons attorney, Sheriff Rosenberg was told by Tripp that Bill never pointed the rifle at him. Content retrieved from: http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2012/01/shadow-of-claude-dallas.html. Again, just my own opinion but, I don't think he got what he deserved and shouldn't be getting out. to come back into this area and try to resume his old lifestyle? Could it be a coincidence that Claude Dallas used the nhttp://futurityartswest.com/ame of Jack Chappell as an alias when he was on the run? Sightings were made along the way in places like Paulden (where a retired police officer saw a "cluster of six or seven lights"), Chino Valley, and Prescott. He was It was hours before authorities realized he was gone. When the young man replied that he was, Meale an undercover FBI agent and his two comrades FBI agent George Schwinn and Elko County Deputy Sheriff Noel McElhany seized him, cuffed him, and stuffed him into the worn-out pickup truck that had brought them to the bunkhouse. Law enforcement officers are not all powerful despite the fact that some seem to feel that they are. They took his registration card and all the items he had left in his room. Ever since he had arrived in the West, Dallas had frequently displayed an insouciant disregard for poaching laws. he left, at once more inured to violence and more willing to Everybody said they knew he was going to escape, prison Warden A. J. Arave said then. Claude is true Old West, commented rodeo champion Cortland Nielsen. Was it possible rumor and/or innuendo report the trappers whereabouts and intelligence to the Idaho Fish and Game for economic or political aspirations? The store manager, who would give only his first name of Sammy, said Dallas was wrestled to the ground by about 10 FBI agents, some of whom carried shotguns. There is no none notta zero way this fella should be out let alone be above ground as we speak now! Their snipers may claim to have never fired a shot, but there's conflicting stories about that. he considered unreasonable authority that put him behind bars to News: city@lmtribune.com; Subscriptions: online@lmtribune.com; Other: webmaster@lmtribune.com. He was finally apprehended outside a convenience store in the suburban southern California city of Riverside on March 8, 1987. question government, more savvy about the media and more jaded If you saw him ride and rope and shoot on the high desert ranches of Oregon and Nevada, you might think so, too. James Wesley, Rawles (JWR) is Founder and Senior Editor of SurvivalBlog, the original prepping /survival blog for when the Schumer Hits The Fan (SHTF). Gilead Draft Board, one of his kidnappers promised that the persecution wouldnt end. "We're a much more informed people now than we were when Claude The ISBN is 0440131685 for the paperback edition. Once a story is told it is only human nature to fill in the blanks according to their own fanciful perception. If Dallas hadn't been doing wrong and had the reputation for doing wrong he wouldn't have had to worry about getting caught or having to "defend" hisself. I worked with a couple of game wardens in the old Montana F&G (1950s, 1960 I was a biologist, not a warden) who richly deserved and invited killing but were still alive only because it was illegal to kill 'em. I guess that I must have an honest look to me! All I can say is, 20 some years spent in jail, two dead LEOS..ALL OVER SOME STINKING BOBCATS!!!!!!!! Im not going to guess on Idaho law but California law does not allow anyone to resist arrest but it does allow someone to resist unlawful force. The prizes for this round include: Round 93 ends on March 31st, so get busy writing and e-mail us your entry. The first block lower had bashed through the shutter on the west side of the lookout, skidded across the floor, bounced-off the alidade stand and one of the low cupboards, then bashed though the door and its shutter. country in general and Idaho in particular seems more willing than fewer places to go to carry on this sort of semi-hermit lifestyle," And that simply There's lots of other convicted criminals out in society who have done worse. 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Years earlier, Newman and his friends built a bulletin board with the permission of the SS on which could be posted maps and emergency information. Not about Dallas, but I just watched the special about the ATF and Waco. The article goes on to state Their theory: Prison officials faked the fence-cutting to cover the fact Dallas outsmarted his keepers and simply walked out the front door with a group of visitors shortly before 8 p.m. on March 30, 1986. If nothing else, it settles the question of whether or not I'll carry a sidearm if I decide to bowhunt this year, which is now legal to do in Oregon. was acquitted and his repeated refusal to submit to random A self-described Mountain Man, Dallas, 36, is a romantic folk hero to some people who admire his Old West toughness, but he is considered by law enforcement authorities in several Western states to be a cold-blooded killer. BOISE Idaho Gov. Tammie told the, Things became immediately and dramatically worse, recounts the, questioning her about whether they had driven past the `road closed sign. A $3/month subscription. Im still in search of an appropriate platform; Ill let you know as soon as the right arrangements have been made. And he will be released in less than four years no matter what I'm not so quick to be livid,in a case frought with discrepencies. He was also disinclined to talk about his background a trait he shared with many others who chose this itinerant lifestyle. "[citation needed]. Eventually caught and convicted, he escaped from prison last March and, as the ads for the movie state, is still at large. The jury seemed to agree to some extent with the defense, finding Dallas guilty in the fall of 1982 only of manslaughter. 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