It does not store any personal data. disciplinary court on me: conduct a Temple Recommend interview. On February 8, 2016 Ivins reversed his decision and informed Runnells of his disciplinary council scheduled for February 14, 2016. But if you are truly concerned about that, you may choose to provide your response in writing. In your April 7th disciplinary council letter I received from the Stake Clerk, you accused me of apostasy along with the following accusations I prefer the old-school term excommunication, which is more accurate in its ramifications. I asked you these questions a year and a half ago in the fall of 2014. Runnells decides to email Ivins to Everyone Practices Cancel Culture | Opinion, Deplatforming Free Speech is Dangerous | Opinion, Mormon School Fired Professor for Pro-LGBT Online Post. What's an investigation? In February 2012, Jeremy experienced an awakening to the LDS Church's truth crisis, which subsequently led to a faith transition that summer. very beginning. Hey I just wanted to put in my two cents. members. We want to be in the position to help, and you can help make that possible. appropriate notice of it. Lives are at stake. 1) To protect and to safeguard the Church's purity, integrity, and good name 2) The protect the innocent 3) To save the soul of the transgressor The primary question a stake president or bishop will determine is whether or not the individual has sufficiently confessed and forsook their sin. The decision to release everything also is due to a desire to be transparent and open to the public as well as to provide the public insight and education I am disgusted by the LDS Church's and President Ivins' multiple attempts to place me in the same category as murderers, rapists, and child molesters for It mostly deals with historical issues surrounding the time of the founding of the LDS Church in the 1820s and 1830s, although it does talk about more modern issues as well. fragments as parts of standard funerary texts that were deposited with mummified bodies." Why all of this 1984 nonsense and secrecy? But the world has changed in the They just keep punching themselves in the face don't they. I needed time to prepare for an ASL interpreter for our meeting. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. The LDS gospel topics series: A scholarly engagement. themselves have published most of the issues found in my 80 page CES Letter followed by their unofficial, uneven, and unsatisfying "answers" and pet - Elder Steven E. Snow, Current Church Historian, Is my understanding correct? Ivins replies back to Runnells' March 10, 2016 @ 3:04pm email with the following 5:02am email (screenshot): I appreciate your response to my email. The church, through its CES Director, promised me a response in April 2013. I have been asking you - for a year and a half now - to correct me and to show me errors and mistakes in the CES Letter and on cesletter.org so that I can Truth in Church History. 2. - Elder Hugh B. [15], Writer Jana Riess has argued that the impact of the CES Letter has been overstated, yet important. Also, no worries about preciseness as I have You have stated in the past that you had no desire to hurt the Church or its members. It contains the summons letter from William H. Reeder Jr., the president of the New England Mission, for her to appear before the bishop's court and his cryptic, one-line excommunication proclamation 26 days later. And the 3rd question I asked you is: What question am I being punished for? Unfortunately, no response ever came. Runnells' beloved grandfather passes. They refused to answer any offering to answer my questions or to find answers to my questions, I have found that rather than getting answers, I instead get silence and ultimately attack me. President, as I've very clearly outlined in my March 7th letter to you, it is my strong position that I have done nothing wrong. Your past communication is not clear and opens the possibility that you desire to cancel the meeting and move our conversation to email/writing. Handbook of Instruction 6.7.3, before holding any disciplinary action against me. Mormonism and excommunication By EditorUpdated on Jun 19, 2014. Ivins responded with facts. However, my last bishop approached me the last time Dialogue published me congratulating me. You ask: "Explain your seeking funding on the internet to address and develop new material related to your concerns that you have with Church Why is it wrong for me to publish issues but not for them? The LDS Church has chosen to continue its recent trend of excommunicating members who openly question or doubt LDS foundational truth claims. court letter. Believing and claiming that homosexuals are as loved by God as heterosexuals, for example, will get you excommunicated. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed." I was even more alarmed and disturbed when I read your disciplinary court notice a few I have repeatedly asked you to correct me or to show me errors and mistakes that I can publicly correct. Usually, and this isn't always the case, but usually, it means no prayers in church, no talks, no partaking of the sacrament, etc. process of translation of the Book of Mormon. I felt they needed to know the truth about my resignation from myself, because rumours can & I have invited my two counselors and if you so choose, feel free to invite Sister Runnells to attend. the blessings of the Temple because of what the Race and the Priesthood And the specific questions that I asked are: And you have not answered a single one of them.". You tried again by announcing the now cancelled March 20th court on me without talking to me. Now, if the person is endowed, it is a whole different ballgame A question for you six. the disciplinary council scheduled for February 14th. There is no true free agency when Introduction I received a letter informing me that on Sunday a "membership council" (formerly, "disciplinary council") will be held "on my behalf". Below that lies the seven-man Presidency of the Seventy, which presides over the General Authority Seventies, who are referred to collectively as the Brethren and have church-wide jurisdiction. you wanted to help me and that you were going to pull in other folks who could help me. If no one volunteered any translations, I would not have bothered with it. If a one-night stand constituted a common law marriage, we would increase the number of polygamists by a million-fold overnight! I have expressed my position on cesletter.org: "I believe that members and investigators deserve all of the information on the table to be able to make a fully informed and balanced decision as to This is still my position and offer today. Kelly founded the group Ordain Women and has been active in leading marches and protests as she argues for a broader role for women in the Mormon church, including ordination as priests. But the practice of excommunication does not make those people more committed believers; it just makes them afraid afraid to voice their opinions and terrified to bring their whole selves to church. reference. assumption has always been that the 15th meeting is still on but wanted to make double sure. Does a bishop have the authority to disfellowship someone in his ward without informing them? This directly contradicts the Book of Moses itself: "there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people" -Moses 7:8. I would like to meet or "stay in the boat" or "God not Google" are not answers to the problematic facts that directly undermine and challenge the LDS Church's With such a sketchy track record, what credibility do these 15 men in Salt Lake have? agency and the free agency of others, and to take our conversation away from the light of transparency and openness into the dark of secrecy and Albert Smith, "Mormonism, as it is called, must stand or fall on the story of Joseph Smith. (RNS) Natasha Helfer, the Mormon therapist whose views on sexuality resulted in a disciplinary council on Sunday, has been excommunicated from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But again, this is really up to the Bishop. as they sought to obstruct and destroy the free agency of myself and others, to obstruct the free flow of information, and to imbalance the Mormon will respect this request and the Handbook by not attempting to hold a disciplinary council against me in my absence and inability to defend myself. I have approached other Church leaders for official answers. Internet Mormon organizations such as FairMormon, Mormon Interpreter, SHIELDS, etc., the CES Letter Foundation accepts donations. Church members can be excommunicated if they are involved in gross iniquity. with dignity and therefore my resignation is effective immediately and unconditionally. Do you want to hire me or fire me? However, because you're "not a historian," you were going Or is this something the Bishop can do on his own? The Mormonism I grew up in was a Mormonism where you were expected to do what is right while letting the consequences follow. The Lord tends to make us work, study, non-transparency. In fact, most of them have created versions of Mormonism that directly contradict the First Presidency's and Quorum of Twelve's version of Mormonism. The church released its very disturbing and problematic Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo essay I do so look forward to reviewing my answers to your No more, Elder Ballard said, no matter how sticky the issue "To name a few such topics that are less known or controversial, I'm talking about polygamy. The reference was in regards to a subject I am interested in and a personal decision I made in my life. Ivins confirmed that he had and responded that March 15, 2016 would not work as he "can't wait that long. I have sat in on both disfellowship and probation courts, but our Bishop also worked with some youth by himself and placed them on probation. You stated at the end of our November 2, 2014 meeting that you were not a historian but that Jana Spangler, one of several women who flew in from Utah to support Natasha and serve as the witnesses the Church Handbook says the accused can have, said the reception was chilly to say the least. If someone decides to resign membership and the church excommunicates them it looks like the church kicked them out when in reality they voluntarily left. In 1989, George Lee, the first Native American to become a General Authority in the church, was excommunicated for apostasy and conduct unbecoming of a church member. This pattern has been disastrous for the church in the Age of Google I just wanted the truth. You have consistently In addition to including additional information, my updates also included correcting errors and mistakes that came to my attention. It is up to him, really. on Marth 15th. Is this really a legitimate reason for excommunication? Jeremy Runnells, author of the renowned Letter to a CES Director faces excommunication from the LDS Church on charges of apostasy on Sunday, April 17, 2016 @ 6:00 pm MST. allegiance from the beginning has been to truth, accuracy and transparency. They also cant hold a calling in their ward, so they are outside (ex) community. It will be assumed that sin led to your departure. bunnzy, All I wanted was the truth. transparency. Members of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir sing during the biannual general conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in Salt Lake City, Utah, on April 5, 2014. As of Thursday, more than 200 health-care professionals signed a letter to the stake president saying they are concerned that withdrawing Helfer's membership will create a culture of stigma and. FairMormon made direct personal attacks on me, my integrity and my character in their response. In fact, they had to wait approximately 5 minutes from Runnells' entering the room for Ivins to come back in the room with an interpreter. You have refused over and over and over and over and over to show me any errors or mistakes for me to publicly correct. Upload or insert images from URL. They will not be published nor posted in any format: print, We are free to think and express our Where I have erred or made mistakes, I have publicly corrected. to legitmate questions and doubts through proper church leadership channels. Answer (1 of 25): My ex-communication certified letter signature required was because I chose to live with my boyfriend (at the time/unmarried). Truth stands boldly and unafraid; it is not shaken by testing or investigation. The church called the police on the vigil attendees. You state: "After reviewing your website and your statements, there are many who might suggest that you are openly and publicly acting in opposition to today's church essays facts. Among the more interesting items in the collection is a lecture she gave in 1970 titled "Can We Manipulate the Past?" believe that leaders in the Church are kind, dedicated, loving, caring, well-meaning and very diligent servants to the members. and website. Here is my resignation letter. Can you answer my questions in CES Letter as promised by your CES Director? this day as I am only interested in correct facts and information. I would have thought that my email indicating a willingness to The real question here is whether Elder Ballard really means what he said when he told us to "master" the church's essays and to discuss the issues. /r/Mormon is a subreddit for articles and topics of interest to people interested in Mormon themes. In fact, October 19th's "anti-Mormon He's asked to have a deaf interpreter. I just couldn't believe that I'd never heard of the polyandry stuff for example, or that Joseph Smith was married to 14-year-old girls. publicly correct any mistakes and errors in the CES Letter and website.". But on Tuesday, the church was thrown into the limelight after it announced that it had excommunicated one of its high-ranking officials in the first such disciplinary incident in almost three decades. Or even holding a council? I have excommunicated the LDS Church, President Ivins, and their kangaroo court from my life. Not a single word from President Ivins has been edited, censored, removed or altered in any way. at (801) 240-3500 and ask them to check on it. A few months later in the summer of 2013, unofficial Mormon apologetic group FairMormon decided to publicly post an "analysis" of my letter. You're invited to your Court of Love next month. Runnells decides to redirect the conversation from verbally via the phone to writing Those who are excommunicated can return and have their Church membership readmitted through the process of repentance and baptism . I plan to continue to render service to members Indeed, I began seeking answers to my I accept and embrace the theme from the quotes above. In fact, a letter has to go out for any court, as far as I remember. The following is an audio recording of the entire first meeting: Transcript of the above recording is available in HTML here(Opens in New Window). In response to criticism that the videos were mocking Runnells and other disaffected Latter Day Saints, FairMormon chairman John Lynch said, "We are not trying to mock the people who are affected by the 'CES Letter,' We are mocking the letter itself and signal to people that this is a deceitful document, not to be taken seriously. has became very clear to me that the church does not have answers to their truth crisis. If he repent not he shall not be numbered among my people, 3Ne. and integrity. Both creative science and revealed religion find their fullest and truest expression in the climate of freedom." The excommunication Canyon Ridge Stake President Monte Marshall excommunicated Nelson and Lacey on Nov. 5, having. I have asked you questions seeking understanding and clarification from you as to how you and the church justify your demands to censor me, obstruct my PLEASE NOTE: If you do not see a GRAPHIC IMAGE of a family tree here but are seeing this text instead then it is most probably because the web server is not correctly configured t The Washington Post has reported that there is a possible conflict of interest, the practice of excommunication does not make those people more committed believers; it just makes them afraid. There are TL;DR boxes listed in each section. Then help me. But it is not part of a permanent file, so to speak. 7:15pm at the Stake Center. Legal Fund. Also, the "anti-Mormon lie.". obedience and conformity over the pursuit of truth and virtue of individual free agency. She dares to say out loud what thousands of other people are only thinking to themselves hence the stake presidents admonition that she is strident, public and negative. (The excommunication letter also notes that she has used disparaging and vulgar language to state those opinions, and if we know anything, its that Mormon ladies must be nice and never, ever demean themselves and others with All. What errors and mistakes are there in the CES Letter and on my website that I can publicly correct? Truth has no fear of the light. Now that they've used up their leverage they held against you as an idle threat, you are free to roar like you've never roared before!!!!! There are thousands and thousands of members who are struggling to get answers from the church to its foundational If it would not crush my parents, I would have used quitmormon already. Runnells did not hear back again from President Ivins until January 25, 2016 when Ivins telephoned Runnells to inform him of his intention to The probations can simply be with the Bishop and at his discretion without a court, and even with out the counselors being made privy of what is going on (except after the fact, and even then he is not bound to tell them what the offense was, simply that they have had an action occur). lies" suddenly became October 22nd's church essay facts. issues threatening the church's foundational truth claims, many of which are confirmed and verified in the church's essays. I am morally clean, honest with my fellow men and I have a Regardless, I wish to express gratitude to President Ivins for his offer to hold an informal meeting in March before any disciplinary court to explain to attacks on my integrity by FairMormon and other unofficial Mormon apologists. lessons. A former bishop from Southern Utah who produces a podcast about LDS Church history announced Monday that he has been formally excommunicated. I am glad to hear that, although you need to understand that some of I am resigning because I refuse to submit myself to a dishonest Orwellian kangaroo court filled with men who value obedience and conformity over morality I am resigning from the church due to its extremely disturbing lack of transparency and honesty to its members and investigators about the real Joseph 3 years of waiting for promised answers from the CES Director only to be left with silence. half. had suggested in an earlier email. points, I'm in turn helping to sufficiently and completely answer your questions. Washington City resident Bill Reel, who . For many, many members of the church, including myself, "doubt your doubts" or "pray about it" or "give Brother Joseph a break" or "lean on my testimony" A Texas activist has been excommunicated from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints after leading a public campaign against the church's practice of allowing leaders to privately question children about sex. You are the owner of your life and your identity. Yesterday's doctrine is today's disavowed "theories". against me. In other words, Joseph's Book of Abraham translations are wrong. Jeremy Runnells, Author of CES Letter, Faces LDS Church Excommunication FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CES Letter Foundation Phone: 801.609.8301 Email: media@cesletter.org Jeremy Runnells, author of the popular Letter to a CES Director faces excommunication from the LDS Church on charges of apostasy at 7:30pm; please confirm your attendance. taken down and you will stop distributing your materials about the Church to others. For the convenience of the reader, all links on this page opens in a new window. CES Letter Foundation releases the following Press Release announcing the LDS Church's disciplinary council against Runnells to be held on April 17, 2016 @ 6:00pm. essay admits and disavows as "theories" originated by racist Brigham Young in 1852. me exactly what the charges are and why disciplinary action is being taken against me. Middle row: Jennifer White, Jana Spangler, Natasha Helfer and Kattie Niu Mount. Instead of calling Ivins back, Runnells emails Ivins the following message @ 1:39pm (screenshot): I received your voice mail asking me to call you. Mormon church leaders have restated the faith's unequivocal position against gay marriage in a letter to members in Argentina, where the government is debating whether to . Fortunately, you've cleared this up by clearly showing that any disciplinary action against me is not because of moral failings on my part but because of If there is anything we can do to He was made General Authority in 2008meaning he had to give up his practice as a lawyer and serve the church full timeand spent time in New Zealand before returning to the church's Utah headquarters in 2014. I also attend some of the Brown. CES Letter For starters, its unclear to me why this disciplinary council was happening in that stake in the first place. just means you may spend a lot of time in court working out visitation, no actual marriage or divorce has to take place. Truth is often found in the most unexpected places. My wife will not be attending but I will be bringing an ASL interpreter to ensure that I understand 100% of everything that is said in our meeting. he could come in to meet with Ivins. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Taylor Frankie Paul, 28, was arrested on February 17 after throwing a chair at boyfriend Dakota Mortensen. I do disagree with many of the things This is a copy of the letter which I sent out by mail to all active ward members in January 2011 just after notifying the Stake President of my resignation as Bishop of Helston Ward, Plymouth England Stake. My wife and I were sealed in the Temple yet she only received a formal probation. disturbing. being disciplined for moral failings (i.e. Runnells - Just checking to see if anything has changed in your schedule that we could meet sometime this week. Earlier today before the Press Conference, Runnells received a job proposal from the LDS Church. abilities and willingness to write your thoughts. that either you still do not understand the background and evolution of the CES Letter and related subsequent work or you are dishonestly ignoring the Functional cookies help to perform certain functionalities like sharing the content of the website on social media platforms, collect feedbacks, and other third-party features. But on Tuesday, the church was thrown into the limelight after it announced that it had. Your well-meaning Mother is correct your sister can be excommunicated, its not definite and may not happen until she wants to come back to church, at that point as she isn't endowed or married But it is amatter that will be decided by priesthood authority. in the beginning of our November 2, 2014 meeting, I am also copying/pasting the relevant part that helps to answer your question: I didn't wake up one day and decide to create CES Letter and cesletter.org. Yes family and friends have abandoned me. I don't want you to go to the trouble or expense of obtaining an ASL interpreter. Word on the street (my in-laws) is a bunch of people are jumping off the Titanic right now. I believe that members and investigators deserve to have all of the facts and information on the tableto be able to make a fully-informed and balanced decision as to whether or not they want to commit their hearts, minds, time, talents, income and lives to Mormonism. CES Letter has been downloaded an estimated 600,000 times to date, and over 12,000 Ivins owed Runnells the courtesy and decency to give him March 15th due to his family situation. 97. r/Catholicism. As we also agreed on the phone, please have your secretary arrange a time for me to come in on that date. threats of excommunication. Such an event is rare, particularly for a church official of such high standing. filled with fear and its house is built on sand. This is my response to your April 7, 2016 disciplinary years. "So, because you guys are not answering my questions, and you guys have not answered my questions the past 3 years, it is very clear to me that the church does not have answers to its truth crisis. First meeting ever with Stake President Mark Ivins, Runnells introduces himself and explains story of CES Letter, Runnells is surprised to see how poor Ivins' understanding of CES Letter and Essays verified issues are, Runnells gets Ivins to commit to reading the CES Letter before a follow up visit, This is a key important meeting in the whole Kangaroo process, Runnells tests Ivins on his reading/understanding of CES Letter, Ivins refused to give Runnells errors or mistakes in CES Letter but changes position after Runnells corrected him with Handbook "apostasy" definition, Asks if Runnells can come meet with Ivins in two days, Runnells responds that he can meet instead on March 15, 2016 due to family member in hospice, Runnells receives no text message back from secretary, Ivins blindsides Runnells with an unexpected phone call breaking Ivins' 1.5 year silence, Despite knowing before phone call that Runnells requested more time due to family member in hospice, Ivins still demands a meeting in 2 days because he "can't wait that long" (for March 15th), After first declining to disclose, Ivins reluctantly tells Runnells over the phone - much to Runnells' shock - that the suddenly urgent meeting was "in regards to your membership in the church", After some phone arm wrestling and a reminder of Runnells' 1.5 year patience, Ivins agrees to a March 15, 2016 meeting instead, Ivins decides to break January 25th gentleman's agreement, Completely blindsides and shocks Runnells with a Valentine's Day disciplinary council to be held that evening, Uses alarmingly vague insinuations and language such as "additional information" and "conduct unbecoming a member", which Runnells interprets as a character assassination attempt on the part of Ivins and the church, Runnells defends himself and defuses Ivins' vague insinuations and character assasination attempt by doing something Ivins should have done but which didn't: ask Temple worthiness questions, Runnells outlines his defense and history to give Ivins his position and perception that holding a disciplinary court against him is a grotesque injustice, Runnells holds a press conference to discuss Ivins' treatment toward him and Ivins' decision to hold a Valentine's Day evening disciplinary court against him. Those of you that have served in Bishoprics, pls correct me if I am wrong: Pam, I believe that disfellowship requires a court. These recordings and release of recordings are 100% legal as all communications between Jeremy Runnells and Mark Ivins took place in the state of Utah The last person to incur public excommunication was Swiss Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, according to Msgr. To be clear, Jeremy Runnells voluntarily resigned his membership from the LDS Church. After 3 years of waiting from the CES Director to fulfill his promise to give me answers to my sincere questions and concerns and after a year and a half doctrine.". questions and concerns are not confined to the English language and these Latter-day Saints are not confined to the United States. church will ever reverse those excommunications and apologize to those historians and individuals for being ahead of their time by speaking and writing the the LDS Church in their attempts to character assassinate Jeremy Runnells' name, integrity, and character through their extremely vague accusations and Your generous donations are tax deductible and will go a long way in helping us to continue to help the honest-in-heart seekers. I am willing to communicate with you directly, in writing, unfiltered. Communicating with you through an ASL interpreter is not something that I am willing to do in the matters involved here. The only reason why cesletter.org exists is because I needed a centralized place to be able to provide my defense and responses to the various personal In the spring of 2013, Jeremy was approached and asked by a CES Director to share his questions and concerns about the LDS Church's origins, history, and current practices. with Church doctrine, updating and translating those concerns into different languages, etc. Jeremy T. Runnells is a critic of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) and author of the book titled A Letter to a CES Director (later renamed CES Letter). to go radio silent and to break that silence with a phone call on January 25, 2016 threatening me with excommunication. This past Friday, Williams released this Open Letter to LDS church leaders in response to the planned disciplinary hearings for apostasy by Kate Kelly for organizing the day of action. 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